SYMBOLISM

[Jas]

Heres my prediction

Obama will win candancy for president and Hillary will get VP. Two years (at the most) Obama will be assasinated causing the worst race riots ever. THis happens only if a avian bird flu is not unleashed sometime this summer and Bush and Company create marshall law.

Cheers
Jas

[surplus]

Yeah and if martial law comes into play, you all best have your best trekking boots on and a bug out location to trek to.

Best to get out before martial law is implemented as well, because once the military start trekking your streets, you WILL become a prisoner in your own homes.

[FeatherWalker]

[surplus]

And having said that Feather Walker, I dare say that this will take place.

Bush isn't just arrogant. He is deliberately where he is suppose to be. He was placed there strategically by the elite members of our hell hole called earth, doing exactly what he is suppose to be doing. That being the good little puppet he is suppose to be.

I think if/when Bush does what you speak of, will be a good warning that martial law is soon to follow. It will be then the time, that people of America should seriously start considering alternative dwellings.

[DAN.T]

Disney And The Inteligence network

Here is something that i picked up on the other day...

Alias- Buena Vista/disney


Kim Possible- disney


New film by disney .. out this year


Spy Kids- Dimension films/ Disney






And for the KIDULTS / Grown-ups....

Spyhard- Hollywood films/ Disney

( check all these companys out they are all disney )



There are many more to name but these few give a brief outline of my point.... One funny thing that popped up was that i noticed that all the females spies on the above posters have red hair?? much like disney slave 'lindsay lohan' .. after hearing duncan o'finoan talking about the military picking people of celtic/irish descent and also from indigenous indian populations, i am left with a strong impression that there is something very intresting being shown here ... subconsciously or otherwise.

Probably the dodgy bit about it is thier focus on children (as allways) from uni students to college dropouts and going all the way back to primary and high school .. they want future generations to be ok with these sort of ideas.

The scenarios for all of these narratives are the same ... the main characters are just ''NORMAL'' people who just happen to be trained government spies on the side.. They kill ''marks'' and then return to their friends / family and loved ones with faces full of smiles.. They are ''NORMAL'' and what they are doing is just and needed...

'' for king and cunt-ry ''

I would say more but then ....... I'd have to kill you

dan.t

[Queen of Night]

Dan T, as much as I enjoy your brilliant montages in symbolism, I must say that media blitz above made my tummy turn.
Whew...it's like you broke some kind of mind control program by putting that all together. great work!

[lulumars]

Thanks M. for reminding me to watch Bladerunner again. Can everyone explain some of the symbolism? Unicorn, Owl, anything else. Do you think the main guy Harrison Ford's character was a replicant? Such fun. Much love to you my friends.

[Jam]

What do you think lulumars?

Watch the Final Cut version if you're going to rewatch it. Well worth it.

[alfernandex]

[Flames Of Origin]

Well done my friend. I want to say something about what you described as "KIDULTS".

I know a lot of people who feel they should take the alternative to violent movies by watching PIXAR films and DISNEY ANIMATED VIOLENCE.

When in fact, I feel those things are more destructive to the sacred psyche than any other form of entertainment.

[alfernandex]

People all over the world are awakening even in Italy!

Link

[FeatherWalker]

The Goddess speaks.
"In the radiant heavens, to give omens in abundance, I appear, I appear in perfection. With exaltation in my supremacy, with exaltation do I, a Goddess, walk supreme; Ishtar, the Goddess of evening am I; Ishtar, the Goddess of morning, am I; Ishtar, who opens the portals of heaven, in my supremacy."




Ishtar, Lady of Heaven
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/ishtar.html

This Hymn to Ishtar, Mother Lover of Tammuz, was written c. 1600 B.C.
http://www.piney.com/HymIsht.html

The history of the Temple of Ishtar
http://www.ishtartemple.org/history.htm

Some of the first references to sexually transmitted diseases are found in Ancient Babylonia, mainly gonnorhea and syphillis. These diseases were said to be caused by the gods and their mismatches which were shown in the sky by the crab and the scorpion. The chancre sore from syphillis was said to literally be a crab bite. In King Hammurabi's Codes, there is a sexual warning to those who oppose him, that "...an evil disease, a dangerous sore which cannot be cured, which the physicians cannot diagnose, which he cannot allay with bandages, and which like the bit of death cannot be removed; and that he, until he brings his life to an end, may lament the loss of his vigor...curse him, his seed, his land, his army, his people and his troops with an evil curse."

Thus, it is also very possible that since Ishtar was regarded as a goddess of love and war, that she was also believed to cast sexually transmitted diseases to the enemies of those that worshipped her. Such a statement from a powerful king may have effected how the enemies of Ancient Babylonia regarded the great state and its sexuality. In opposing Hammurabi, those peoples also had to oppose the goddess Ishtar and the Babylonian ideas of sexual openness.

[hrblsh]

[Flames Of Origin]

[Jam]

I meant to do this post ages ago, but here it is...


This is the new £20 note.
Issued on the 13th March, 2007.
Interesting how it fades from red to blue, left to right.
Labour (Red) is meant to occupy the left wing.
Conservatives (Blue) is meant to occupy the right wing.
But now they're both moving into the center of the palace.


Nice pentagram above Buckingham Palace...
The lines of the pentagram form an inner dodecagon (12).
The triangular frontpiece of the Palace forms a pyramid,
with the rising Sun/pentagram/dodecagon symbol rising behind it,
where the flag normally flies...
Can't get much closer to the Eye of Sauron than that I think.


This is a £10 note, with Sir Charles Darwin.
Issued on the 7th, November 2000.


This is the Sun-Octagon that adorns it.
Nice how the 'TEN' sits over it, yes?


This is a RBOS £10 note.
Six-pointed stars joined with the sun symbol,
once more over the triangular frontpiece of the building (not the palace).
Or is it an eye?^
You decide...


This is an older version of the £20 note, with Michael Faraday.
Issued on the 5th, June 1991.


Curious...


This is the front of the same note.
Lots of hexagons on this one.


Like this...


And this...
Nice, huh?


This is the old £1 note, with Sir Isaac Newton.
Issued on the 9th, February 1978.
Pleasant octagon in the bottom left.


For those who prefer a closer look.

And this is the gem...
Same note, but on the front...


Old £1 note with the Caduceus and the Cornucopia/Horn of Plenty.


A closer look.

And because it's actually a very nice rendition...
An even closer look...



A shame I can't find good pictures of all the notes online.
I'd post the old fifty pound note too if I could.

[surplus]

Holy shit Jam! Aussie notes are much the same! Your detail on this post astounds me and it's something I would have never thought of.

I will scan some money soon, and upload them to a server, so that people may take a look at the similarity's between the UK notes and Aussie notes.

Even with that bitch the Queens ugly mug on them.

Those who voted to remain under the monarchy here in Australia, I can't wait until you are screwed in the behind by a British fag elite soldier, working for the Queen.

[Flames Of Origin]

Jam Posted:



This is an old English form of currency?

Fascinating. The Eye Of Horus again.

[alfernandex]

Nice post jam

Notice the old queen crown on the coin... now it does not show
the Nazi malta cross

[Carolyn]

Wow cheers for those posts all of you especially Jam, I was checking some scottish twenties a few weeks ago but I never noticed much. Been too skint to have a £20 long enough to have a look recently!

But I never would have noticed all that, cracking examples!

[DAN.T]

THE WEALTH OF A NATION

Yes jam....

i would add that the pentagonal dodecagon also has an octogon hidden within it ... I feel that this star is supposed to be a dynamic symbol that has a certain amount of motion within it.



also on the flip side on the same note....



{reverse feat A.Smith}


Every poor countries friend 'Adam Smith' economist and author of the disturbing 'wealth of nations' ,also he was one of the founders/champions of the free market system. Although Classical economists, such as Thomas Malthus, Adam Smith and David Ricardo did not use the term laissez faire captitalism they most definitely employed it's philosophical implications upon the world at large..

Apart from the socio-political implications of utilising smith look closely at the mural next to him, in the middle of the note ...... Notice that the same star as on the obverse is 'BEHIND' the inner workings of the pin factory...
Is this without importance ?? i think not..

the writing states ( The division of labour in pin manufacturing - and the great increase in the quantity of work that results)....

I feel that (as Mtsar has pointed out) the same knowledge that has been kept by these aristocrats and long been used for ceremony , ritual and astronomy/astrology.. was also the knowledge that was used to kickstart the industrial revolution...

''Stars and calendars'' become ''Cogs and Wheels''

Nice pick up on the (old) notes and ting jam.....

dan.t

[Jam]

Thanks - DAN. T - nice post. I was going to write about the octagon when I got up today as I was so damn tired this morning writing that. I was about to go to bed and then I saw iceman post a note on the enlightenment thread (it's all for you iceman )- and I started my post. three hours later i finished and fell asleep.

you may have beaten me to the octagon, DAN. T - but there is also ANOTHER THREE shapes inside the pentagram. bwhaha.


There is also a hexagon.
And the ribbon forms an 8 - infinity symbol over the top of it.
There is also, of course, a golden circle/ring with a a ripple effect / water-door/ stargate concentric circle design

You are definitely right about this Star being intended as a dynamic symbol.

Nice explanation of the reverse, i couldn't find a nice image of it so I didn't look at it. Little did I know i've actually got one in my wallet, haha - unlike Carolyn!!

It is indeed exactly the same design, just behind the pin-manufacturing image, as you say. I totally agree with your explanation as to why that may be. Nice one.

Flames of Origin - I originally thought that was a pyramid with a capstone. Not so sure now - but it's still odd nevertheless. And indeed it is now an old english note - withdrawn from circulation on the 28th February 2001.

[DAN.T]

-ha ha-

Totally mate that was my point all of the geomtry's are there dancing much like the flower of life... It has definitely been animated by someone pretty clued up.

Iv'e tried to find out the names of the illustrators but i couldn't track any down.. It is easy to find out the names of the engravers and designers of coins but notes are a bit more tricky.. i guess that makes sense on a number of levels.

- also check out the circle around the pin machine it mimics a shell spiralling in to the centre, i think it is a heavy subliminal because the mouth of the shell or Horn??(the start) would be right in front of smiths third eye ( you would start the line just above the small barrel and it spirals in dynamicly -if you change your focus you will see it...i guess that could be seen as part of the activation of the talisman..

because a 'Talisman' is what we are dealing with here.....

i dunno cunts and their magical paper!!..

dan.t

[Carolyn]

[Jam]

Hell yeah DAN. T


Much like the Spiral Shell motif on the £10 note.

There also seems to be suggestion of an Ouroboros on some notes.

[Queen of Night]

TIME...

[DAN.T]

Lush you put a big smile on my face Queen.. lovely progression of images.... i prefer to gain insights in a visual way as all my ideas and thoughts are very tangibly visible in my minds eye .... i'm a picture person....

''If a picture paints a thousand words then a symbol paints a thousand pictures''- Herman hesse

and I guess that my older post resonated with you coz ... you have red hair !!..what a trip reading that post for you.. i remember seeing a picture of you somewhere.

When anyone talks about the whole aryan blonde hair blue eyes thing my stomach turns aswell .... the ego doesn't like being flipped and examined

at least thats my own interpretation on it for myself

cheers again...

and jam .......jam , jam ,jam ,jam,jam

you read my fecking mind i couldn't find a good pic ... + look at the diamond with {EIIR} in with the shells/horns either side ....

it's forms a rams head!!!with the seal of elizabeth above it..

dan.t

[Jam]

great spot man!

[surplus]

[iceman]

Cheers Jam

[FeatherWalker]

Huguenot Symbol.........(interesting study)



Huguenot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot

[Flames Of Origin]

There's that upside down dove again! I still can't find out what it represents.

[alfernandex]

[mad rex]

Id love to see Liz's mug wiped off the Canadian currency myself.. proclaim sovereignty from this shite bitch ruling between the lines garbage..


'bout the dove.. thats an odd one.. especially since Huguenots being reformists and TBN being a twig of the vatican...
Hugues seem to be bourgeois .. TBN being evangelism, an odd mix... though huguenotism seemed to have an effect on america surely..
from wikipedia
* Eight American Presidents (George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Harry Truman, Gerald Ford and Lyndon Johnson) had significant proven Huguenot ancestry, as did Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and Paul Revere. Twelve other U.S. Presidents had credible but unproven claims to Huguenot ancestors. [16]
* In 1924 a commemorative half dollar, known as the Huguenot-Walloon Half Dollar[17], was coined in the United States to celebrate the 300th anniversary of their initial settlement in what is now the United States. One Huguenot colonist was a silversmith named Apollos Rivoire, who would later anglicize his name to Paul Revere. He would, still later, give his name and his profession to his son, Paul Revere, the famous United States revolutionary.
* A neighborhood in New York City's borough of Staten Island is named Huguenot, and the City of New Rochelle, New York is named after La Rochelle, a former Huguenot stronghold in France.
* One of the leading chemical companies in the world today, E. I. du Pont de Nemours and Company, was founded by the scientist E. I. du Pont, who immigrated directly from France in 1799.

Presidents and du ponts.. pretty hardcore symbolists.. dont think the H'nots were too bad but I think this explains the TBN bit might have sprouted from..

Generally an upside down symbol is the antithesis of it can be taken generally in two ways: the pure opposite or keeping the same mindset only achieving it in an opposite way..

[DAN.T]

Bowling for Columes

Latin name: Columba

Other names: Colum, Coulompe, Coulon, Culvour

Also there seems to be meaning in the various colors of doves that are imployed.



--shown above--''The Brothers and Sisters of Penance of St. Francis is a private Association of the Catholic Church whose members strive to model their lives according to the Rule and Statutes of the Primitive Rule of the Third Order of St. Francis, which was written for lay people in 1221 at the request of St. Francis of Assisi.''



--shown above--The inverted dove is a fascinating symbol that covers my current city of residence. In 'Bath Abbey' there is even a small chapel near the centre called the 'chapel of the bird' which sports the descending dove. Next to the entry portal there is an inscription which says that the small chapel was payed for and is frequented by the four most important families in baths heritage.. This group is known as 'THE PRIORY OF THE BIRD' it is also written on the commemorative plaque.

Below is a floor plan of the abbey ( if you enter at the WEST DOOR walk all the way through the middle past the CHOIR stalls and stand in front of the altar directly to your right [unlabeled room] is the 'chapel of the bird'.



This symbol of the inverted dove or bird or PHOENIX is found all over masonic and alchemical literiture/archetechture. The symbol of the bird in every culture is seen as the symbol of the soul as it can leave the earth or body and sail in the heavens or sky.

Egypt

America

India

Polynesia


and of course we could go on..

All of these references bring me round to my intuitive understanding of what the inverted dove symbol means..
In an esoteric (innerworldly) fashion it can be seen as the descent of the soul into matter.. what the Christian Gnostics would refer to as 'the fall' and the creation of the 'demiurge'.

However in my mind in it's catholic depiction it seems to denote the CONTROL of matter over mind and the concretisation of a disconnected spiritual world view.
This same symbolic meaning is also shown on the british royal insignia -

The lion is used as the symbol of the material body strengthened by the sun and the Unicorn is used as a symbol of the spiritual body controled by the moon.
-Check out the crowns of the two beasts..-
The crown of the lion is worn proudly atop his head and the crown of the unicorn has been pulled roughly down from it's head to it's neck forming a COLLAR..

This collar has a chain which runs down and is connected to the royal motto - ''God and my right'' - this i beleive is showing that the physical has chained down the spiritual and controls it.. this is also shown by the all powerfull smaller lion on the very top of the whole seal- if this were meant to be an amalgamation of both it would imbody visual features of both animals but that is not the case.. it is clearly a lion.



(also check out the male form and features of the lion and the female form and features of the unicorn - this is another key to the physical and spiritual/ logical and intuitve duality of existence)

I find validation in my overall opinion in Jordan Maxwells work on Noah.. He references that the priests of yahweh used to sacrifice doves and various animals on the altar , and the first action of noah after the rains stop is to RELEASE a dove ....

are we talking sacrifice ??

Also we could say that these same priests were sacrificing children to molech and baal as shown in the writtings by solomon (etc) so possibly this is a veiled reference to 'the setting free of a soul' or sacrifice of a colum/child. But with a shudder OVERALL i think that the inverted catholic dove symbolises the CONTROL OF MATTER OVER SPIRIT.

dan.t

[FeatherWalker]

Another great post Dan T,
I tend to agree with you as the inverted dove meaning something to do with decent, something fallen, or such as a tarot card being reversed in a sense. The Huguenots were defiant of Rome and the catholic church which uses the dove as a symbol of peace, or the holy spirit, as its flying (not nose diving into the earth) A symbol of destruction?


With a Horus type of All Seeing Eye and an inverted dove, symbol of destruction.


Dove - Holy Spirit, Soul Reaching Peace, Spirituality. In Slavic culture, at death the soul turns into a dove. In Visigothic and Romanesque art, it represents souls. In Hinduism, the dove represents the spirit. This bird was sacred to Zeus, to Athena as a symbol of the renewal of life, and to Aphrodite as a symbol of love. To the ancient Egyptians, it signified innocence, and in Islam the dove is the protector of Mohammad. In Christianity, the Holy Ghost of the Trinity is often portrayed as a dove. In China it represents longevity and orderliness while in Japan the dove is associated with the war god Hachiman. In Jewish history the dove was sometimes sacrificed for a mother's purification after childbirth. The dove is sometimes an emblem of Israel.

In my own way of thinking I have to beleive that the inverted dove is a symbol of rebellion against Rome and the church, against the big lie.


The dove lands on a Celtic cross could mean merging of some sort and then the next thing you see is basically a dead dove hanging off the Celtic cross.
I may be wrong, but I see it as a disagreement symbol, or a symbol of rebellion.

Then there's the theory of the inverted dove representing the sacrificed Christ.

Or it can be traced back to the Druids.
Calmlann or Camelot means specifically: - ‘The sacred grove or enclosure where the sacrificial doves are kept’, (the symbol for the sacred centre of a realm).


The association of doves and the oracle is ancient. In the Classics we are told of the two black doves who flew from the oracle of Thebes, one flew to Libya, the other flew to Dodona. The latter alighting on an oak tree within the holy grove and began to speak with a human voice, announcing to the locals that, from then on the oracle of Zeus should be found in that place.

"a snow-white dove, with a golden bill, was wont to sit on the head of St. Kentigarn while occupied in sacred rites."

This is definantly an interesting topic..........................


The inverted torch representing life extinct.


The inverted pentagram..........

[DAN.T]

I totally agree with you on some levels man..

The oto were definitely against the prevailent catholic ideas and dogmas. But you also see this symbol all over rome and all over churches , cathedrals and museums that -are- Catholic.

There are not that many uses of the inverted dove to denote a rebellious teching against the state or religion .. But it is a symbolic main-stay of the christian and particularly Roman Catholic tradition.

All the rest i think you are bang on --the pentagram , the torch (also you see inverted lotus's alongside the torches outside christian graveyards the world over)..

I am not saying that the dove does not have multi-dimensional symbolic meanings i am just trying to pin down the (white inverted dove) that is so prevailent in catholic engravings, carvings and sculptures..

nice one

dan.t

[FeatherWalker]

[DAN.T]

Totally check out my grandad...

George Bucknell - CBE

Chief George Bucknell Okukuro of Mosogar

Commander Of The Most Excellent Order Of The Britsh Empire- CBE



He was awarded the CBE for services with Mulitico an engineering company which located factories making woodworking machinery in africa specifically Nigeria. (Also he may have been awarded it for another reason altogether- which i shall explain)

Then he was given the title of honarary chief or okakuro of mosogar (the village) by the local heads for bringing prosperity (?) and wealth through industry to the region... leaves a nasty taste eh


50's-60's logo

He helped set up two factories and also bought hundreds of thousands of acres of land off the corrupt and greedy chiefs of the tribes- i say greedy because iv'e seen pictures of him sitting in huts in mosogar with the leaders (my grandad is in full ceremonial chieftan robes and the other chiefs are all wearing bowler hats and sporting expensive looking canes) all smiling and hugging whilst handling cash and contracts.

I will put up one of his buisness cards later when i find it .. it has his full official titles on it (etc)

What the African chiefs did not not know was that the land had huge amounts of black gold underneath it ----OIL---- and also that my grandad was a connected dodgy mason and knight who was working for the foreign service to aquire this land at a low price...

He was awarded the medal and title by the empire after aquiring the land...he died being owed 30 million pounds sterling for his part in the latter deals which ensued.

He died about two years later after having aquired the land, the wrath of the local shaman and a bout of malaria,
Which ( three months later and after he thought he was clear ) caused a blood clot to travel to his brain. He mentioned to my grandma that he had had a terrible nightmare whilst in the throws of the malaria and he beleived very strongly that the local shaman had hexed him...

the shaman had hexed him .... many times with many people present -they had translated afterward- ..

so wether you think it was the hex his conscience or the fact that his was a westerner bitten by an african mosquito i think it is clear that he kinda got what he deserved... it has a sense of cosmic irony ..

you trigged my memories and i thought i'd bash it out will it was fresh.

cheers

dan.t

[FeatherWalker]

Wow!!! That is some story!!!!
I have no doubt that the tribal leaders had power to throw negative energy his way. With my Cherokee ancestry and native american knowledge, I truely beleive in those types of things. There's alot of forces that we cannot see........

I'm finding out alot of weird info about my family roots and some of it is not good either. From royalty in france to being burned at the stake, some escaping as huguenots, an 8th gr grandfather getting a pair of greyhounds from the king of france here in america about 1670's (wonder whats up with that)????????
Grand masters of templars of malta????
Maybe our ancestors knew eachother????????????

[DAN.T]

No word of a small pox blanket... ha ha

(actually i feel abit ill)

cheers

dan.t

[FeatherWalker]

Dan T, These are also symbols/photos connected to my family.








La Bastie d'Urfe' en Forez


Casanova befriends a relative of mine in this book..............


Genevieve d'Urfe, Duchess of Croy


"The Dame of Malta" she looks a little on the darkside huh?????

[DAN.T]

whoa....

it's kinda like the addams family..

[FeatherWalker]

[mtsar]

yep, another NIT OF MALTA